Bigtom's september trip (well some of it) ~ LB-69

No I think this Kliome’s story is a good one. And she is not a bastard.

And its shows you how the games is played. You should not judge the girl for doing this.
She is just doing her job, and very good I must say, keeping her sponsor happy, and her customer (Kliome) happy. It would not have been a dark moment for me, actually you got a whole lesson in how the game is played for free, on top of the sex.
I think it is just the poor guy that rang her that don’t know how it is played, and asking her to step outside and not play the game anymore.

There’s only a few working gg/lbs that actually would leave Pattaya and go home and live on 10 k or maybe 20k a month. Think about how much more fun and money they have working in Pattaya. And are you willing to sponsor that amount every month?
Don’t think you gonna “save” them from prostitution, they don’t see it in the same way we do her in the “god blessed west”. And thank Buddha for that!
We should all be happy for those guys sponsoring gg and lbs, without them I am sure short time prices would go up.

I think it is most possible to have a relationship with gg/lbs that works in p4p scene. But it is you that have to adjust to the game in Pattay, do not try to make them change lifestyle with a few phone calls telling them how much you love them, and blab bla bla.
For a relationship to work, the chemistry between the two is the important thing.
And it does not start by giving her a new set of rules to live by when you are home, and promise to come back and marry her. I bet they have heard that a few times before, or from friends that can tell them how much bullshit falangs tell them.

How many of the sponsors do you think stay away from sex when they are home?

But however, when together both should stay faithfull.
And that is the hardest part staying in Pattaya!! For you I mean Very Happy

I had a similar experience to Kliome , but the timing was better as we'd finished sex.
She had a txt and then went outside to answer the phone in private and then disapeared for a half hour after telling me she'd needed to wash her hair . I had worked out what was going on so later told her I did'nt mind her taking the calls as I would be quiet .
Turned out it was her sponsor who was going to marry her who called every day at a set time. She was supposed to be at home in her village waiting for him and not in Pattaya .

I was'nt worried about it as it made my position easier (and my conscience ) we spent a few days togther knowing that we had a business deal with no commitment.

I used to answer my gf's text messages from her sponsor when she was with me... using thai spelling of course...it was fun...no illusions here....but i must admit you can get attached to gg's and lb's which for me is ok....have done it myself just as long as you realise the difference between fantasy and reality....cheers donnykey

Ladyboy Hunter Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 178 Points: 127

sorry you had this bad experience cant say im suprised though, good lesson for newbies.

i have been with gg and lbs when they were getting calls from there bf, i encouraged them to take the calls and text back wheter we were in bed or not.

if it stops one other having a bad experience like this your effort to post the story were not in vain.

they want the perfect relationships but cant give up the hooker life.

as jay z said.....once a good girls gone bad shes gone forever....

good comments gents.
maybe a new sticky should be started , pointing out all the facts that we experienced guys have learned the hard way.?
to many storys are cropping up , where the writing is on the wall for us regular hunters, but not obvious to the new guys.

the main thing i always take into account, is they only have a few good years of proper earnings.
they need to make it while they are still pretty.
they enjoy making money and showing off the latest new phone they,ve bought to their friends.
its all about face, and showing off.
how many times have you heard an lb say "my friend said you gave her 2000" when really you gave her 1000.
also, on my recent trip to phucket, i was told of 2 lb,s id "been with" when i hadn,t been near them.!

i think a sticky is needed to piont out the obvious facts to the newbie, because otherwise we sound like negative moaners, when we are not. i love the place, and laugh at the bullshit.

i find my holidays are alot easier when you let the bullshit go over your head.

like in my reply earlier, im in loadsa shit with two gg as there friends and a certain lb, all in patong, but cant wait to get back, the one gg has sponser from norway the other keep asking for money in every text, email, or conversation. when they know they aint getting the money unless i get the honey, its all part of the game, but must say i was taken in when i started my trips, but like all things the more you exp the better the game,
stevie p.
back for xmas patong then new yr eve in bkk

Ladyboy Hunter Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 178 Points: 127

some may say you were a little un-wise thats all

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nice avatar bigtom... Very Happy

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Ladyboy Hunter Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 178 Points: 127

yep you are right with the asians its all about the $$$ like most english girls except they are more easy to read with it.

yes its her loss but the thai attitude is just live for the day, they dont think about the future to much, she probably has another sponsor already.

dont take it personally bro its just biz.

BigTom - like the avatar.

Read what happened and can only say I empathise with you

LOS is great and it is easy to "fall" for a LB/GG - they are less confrontational than their Western counterparts and always seem good natured UNTIL they:

1 Get Hot hearted (Jai rom)
2 Need money.

They are often childish and like a child make demands - we usually give in so become the bottomless ATM. You give them something and they just ask for more - telephone, gold etc etc

When we leave they need another ATM. Maybe a new customer or a photo shoot or a Porno film. What they get paid for these shoots is a lot less than you would believe

Many years ago I had a UK girl who did some porno photo shoots - she got paid quite well and in a strange way I saw it as a compliment. I had a girl who looked good enough for a porno shoot!

I got divorced and reckon the settlement cost me more than if I ad paid a Thai girl daily! So LOS is really more honest - you get what you pay for!

Thais treat sex as a function of life - they are not hung up like the West that sex is a sin and your body is a temple for God.

All that Presbyterian/Catholic ethics has given the West more hangups than anywhere. So when we come to LOS we already bring our principles along - better to leave at home.

I have had LB and GG's and know that soon as I am gone they are back doing all that they know - most leave school at 12/14 with no real education.

In Pattaya they can earn big money compared to at home. The Thai average income is 5,000 baht a month. Police start at 6,000 per month. The P4P scene is just too attractive - in low season 85,000 workers in Pattaya rising to 100,000 in high season - mainly from impoverished Issan.

So do not judge too much by your experience - just accept that that is the way it is. You cannot change it. You may "save" 1 in 10,000 if you are lucky.

Remember in their minds the things in live in rank order are

Money
Buddha
Food
Family
King
Extended family and friends
Dog
Farang

Number 1 links to number 8 which completes their circle of life!!

I have been to Kareoke and "Events" - invited as a guest. Guess who got the tab?

Take it all at face value and think about what you are getting involved in before getting involved.

I hope this helps with your next planned visit - I am not suggesting you treat them badly/dishonourably but do understand how they think.

great words again rossco.
seems you are seeing the bigger picture now tom.

its easier to fall for the shit when you are alone, but if you go with a good hunter sidekick. they help to point out the reality when you start falling for them.
its all just a game.

anthony79 said-"its all a game"
that is very true,Isincerely sympathise for you Bigtom,however ina way you can count yourself a little bit lucky.Fall in love with a Thai woman(or LB) and they will take a few quid off you,make the same mistake with a western woman and you lose everything you ever owned.I am not trying to be patronising,but it can be a cheap way to learn!

Well its good you know the jazz now. Next time you will be in perfect butterfly mode.

I usually find when i like a ladyboy or gg i just say go work. I go drinking and tell them to call me when they are finished and then ill hang with them. Sometimes they call at 2300. Sometimes 0400. Usually it keeps both parties happy. She gets her normal cash so she aint trying to bleed you dry. But obvioulsy if you really fall for a girl this is impossible. You have to not mind your hook fucking around. But guys cannot get jealous in Pattaya. As Anthony says its a game. Keep it as casual as possible with them and let them know you are not going to be taken for a ride.

Great topic. Astute assessment of your situation Bigtom.

Think of all the close friends and lovers you are no longer in contact with. Things begin, they end I don't think it makes it a game (just the game of life perhaps).

As for money and love; how many "legitimate" marriages go south when there are money problems? I know a few friends who have been through that.

Most of us like porn and having sex with a variety of companions but somehow this suddenly changes when we feel that we are "in love". It seems to be hard wired into us, but can we go beyond our programming? I believe love and sex can be separate as long as you can be ultra-honest with your loved one and talk frankly about any issues that arise from polyamory.

YM